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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2007/free-software/verizon-wireless-free-the-network.html#comment-1171</link>
		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when was it the right of a company to restrict the freedom of an individual?  For that matter, when did it become the right of an individual to restrict the freedom of another individual?

Locking down phones, other devices, media content, and software restricts freedom.  People are then not able to use it except how the companies want them to use it.

As for when the government gave us more choices, in 1984 they broke up a little company called AT&#038;T, remember that?  Antitrust stuff gives us more choices.  It's not the same thing here, but it does answer your question.  Personally, I don't think these companies would stop doing business or stop competing if the government required them to respect consumer freedom.  I do think they would comply though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when was it the right of a company to restrict the freedom of an individual?  For that matter, when did it become the right of an individual to restrict the freedom of another individual?</p>
<p>Locking down phones, other devices, media content, and software restricts freedom.  People are then not able to use it except how the companies want them to use it.</p>
<p>As for when the government gave us more choices, in 1984 they broke up a little company called AT&#038;T, remember that?  Antitrust stuff gives us more choices.  It&#8217;s not the same thing here, but it does answer your question.  Personally, I don&#8217;t think these companies would stop doing business or stop competing if the government required them to respect consumer freedom.  I do think they would comply though.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2007/free-software/verizon-wireless-free-the-network.html#comment-1170</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I disagree, I believe the gov't is made to protect rights and freedoms, but this means for people AND corporations. Consumers do have the right to refuse doing business with evil companies, the solution is more freedom, more choice, and more competition, not less. When has the government made more choices for us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I disagree, I believe the gov&#8217;t is made to protect rights and freedoms, but this means for people AND corporations. Consumers do have the right to refuse doing business with evil companies, the solution is more freedom, more choice, and more competition, not less. When has the government made more choices for us?</p>
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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2007/free-software/verizon-wireless-free-the-network.html#comment-1169</link>
		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you know, protecting freedom is one of the jobs that the government assigned to themselves, isn't it?  That's why we fought certain wars, that's why we maintain a military, that's why we have law enforcement, so I think it's fair that the government should stop companies from restricting freedom in these ways... just like the FCC is trying to do right now.

If you can point to a legislation that defines something as "intellectual property" or gives someone rights to something named "intellectual property," you let me know.

As for the hate crime thing, protecting minorities from bigots is in the best interest of freedom.  Giving folks stiffer penalties for harming out of hatred makes sense to me, but please do try to stay on topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you know, protecting freedom is one of the jobs that the government assigned to themselves, isn&#8217;t it?  That&#8217;s why we fought certain wars, that&#8217;s why we maintain a military, that&#8217;s why we have law enforcement, so I think it&#8217;s fair that the government should stop companies from restricting freedom in these ways&#8230; just like the FCC is trying to do right now.</p>
<p>If you can point to a legislation that defines something as &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; or gives someone rights to something named &#8220;intellectual property,&#8221; you let me know.</p>
<p>As for the hate crime thing, protecting minorities from bigots is in the best interest of freedom.  Giving folks stiffer penalties for harming out of hatred makes sense to me, but please do try to stay on topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2007/free-software/verizon-wireless-free-the-network.html#comment-1164</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you CAN redo the things inside, but what incentive do they get for giving you that freedom? You should know what you want and buy what you want, thus not buy from greedy corporations that don't give you freedom. You and I at least agree there, consumers have just that much choice. 

It's interesting how you can easily say "there's no such thing" as "illegal immigrant" and "intellectual property" while you tell me when I say there's either no such thing as hate crime, or even if there was, it shouldn't be punished more or less, you say I'm retarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you CAN redo the things inside, but what incentive do they get for giving you that freedom? You should know what you want and buy what you want, thus not buy from greedy corporations that don&#8217;t give you freedom. You and I at least agree there, consumers have just that much choice. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting how you can easily say &#8220;there&#8217;s no such thing&#8221; as &#8220;illegal immigrant&#8221; and &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; while you tell me when I say there&#8217;s either no such thing as hate crime, or even if there was, it shouldn&#8217;t be punished more or less, you say I&#8217;m retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2007/free-software/verizon-wireless-free-the-network.html#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phone can be used on other networks, with other software, etc.  You could program it yourself, you have a friend program it, you could download or buy software for it.  In Europe they have all manner of neat technologies for their mobile phones that we don't have here.

The T-Mobile hotspot for your home that was recently released in the US has been available in other countries for a while now.  Being able to have a more clear signal at home without having to pay for minutes is a great idea.

Copyright laws and patent laws are pretty simple.  It's all based on the mentality that just because someone creates something that society finds useful, they now have the ability to tell everybody else what to and what not to do with it, even after they've sold it to someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phone can be used on other networks, with other software, etc.  You could program it yourself, you have a friend program it, you could download or buy software for it.  In Europe they have all manner of neat technologies for their mobile phones that we don&#8217;t have here.</p>
<p>The T-Mobile hotspot for your home that was recently released in the US has been available in other countries for a while now.  Being able to have a more clear signal at home without having to pay for minutes is a great idea.</p>
<p>Copyright laws and patent laws are pretty simple.  It&#8217;s all based on the mentality that just because someone creates something that society finds useful, they now have the ability to tell everybody else what to and what not to do with it, even after they&#8217;ve sold it to someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I see corporations just like people. I'd have a problem if corporations restricted people involuntarily as well. No restriction corporations put on their customers can be done legally without their consent, however, very many government restrictions on people and corporations are involuntary. 

You may own the phone, but you can't do much with it other than what the network allows you to, exactly. Or, you can't use it for purposes other than what they've set it up for (ok, unless you're good at reprogramming).

Maybe I'm too stupid to know the difference between IP and copyright, patent, so you can explain to me, but it can be another discussion for another day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I see corporations just like people. I&#8217;d have a problem if corporations restricted people involuntarily as well. No restriction corporations put on their customers can be done legally without their consent, however, very many government restrictions on people and corporations are involuntary. </p>
<p>You may own the phone, but you can&#8217;t do much with it other than what the network allows you to, exactly. Or, you can&#8217;t use it for purposes other than what they&#8217;ve set it up for (ok, unless you&#8217;re good at reprogramming).</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m too stupid to know the difference between IP and copyright, patent, so you can explain to me, but it can be another discussion for another day.</p>
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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2007/free-software/verizon-wireless-free-the-network.html#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I bought the phone, I own the phone and the rights to anything on it.  Anything less than that is an attempt on their part to control me for the sake of their profit.

The service--which is the network--is not in my physical possession.  I didn't pay to purchase it, but I did pay to purchase the phone.

Furthermore, there's no such thing as "intellectual property."  That term is used to intentionally blur and confuse a series of laws such as copyright laws, patent laws, and trademark laws.  These laws have some unjust applications, namely restricting the freedom of people for the sake of profit.

You seem to have no problem with corporations restricting people, but when the government restricts the corporate restrictions you're up in arms.  Maybe you really are a republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I bought the phone, I own the phone and the rights to anything on it.  Anything less than that is an attempt on their part to control me for the sake of their profit.</p>
<p>The service&#8211;which is the network&#8211;is not in my physical possession.  I didn&#8217;t pay to purchase it, but I did pay to purchase the phone.</p>
<p>Furthermore, there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;intellectual property.&#8221;  That term is used to intentionally blur and confuse a series of laws such as copyright laws, patent laws, and trademark laws.  These laws have some unjust applications, namely restricting the freedom of people for the sake of profit.</p>
<p>You seem to have no problem with corporations restricting people, but when the government restricts the corporate restrictions you&#8217;re up in arms.  Maybe you really are a republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, as long as it's not coming for you, who cares. 

You're confusing property as an object and property (specifically intellectual)as a means communication. 

You didn't BUY the rights to anything in Verizon, only to use it the way they allow you to. The same way you don't own your paper money bills and coins, you're only authorized to use it in ways they allow it. You've taken for granted what they've given as a service, that's your misunderstanding of what their terms and conditions are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as long as it&#8217;s not coming for you, who cares. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re confusing property as an object and property (specifically intellectual)as a means communication. </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t BUY the rights to anything in Verizon, only to use it the way they allow you to. The same way you don&#8217;t own your paper money bills and coins, you&#8217;re only authorized to use it in ways they allow it. You&#8217;ve taken for granted what they&#8217;ve given as a service, that&#8217;s your misunderstanding of what their terms and conditions are.</p>
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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2007/free-software/verizon-wireless-free-the-network.html#comment-1158</link>
		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tj: Don't worry, I put it up here so that other folks might be inspired to send some requests to Verizon Wireless.

Josh: I do see something wrong with restricting someone else's property.  If you sold something to somebody, it ceases to be your work and becomes their property.  Sure we can keep the trademarks in place so that consumers don't get confused, but once they purchase it they should be able to do &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; with it.  There is no excuse for restricting freedom for the sake of profit, and that is exactly what locked networks and locked phones are all about.

This FCC rule I advocate because it is one that is for the people, and it serves the best interests of the people.  Future rules I'll have to think about when we get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tj: Don&#8217;t worry, I put it up here so that other folks might be inspired to send some requests to Verizon Wireless.</p>
<p>Josh: I do see something wrong with restricting someone else&#8217;s property.  If you sold something to somebody, it ceases to be your work and becomes their property.  Sure we can keep the trademarks in place so that consumers don&#8217;t get confused, but once they purchase it they should be able to do <em>anything</em> with it.  There is no excuse for restricting freedom for the sake of profit, and that is exactly what locked networks and locked phones are all about.</p>
<p>This FCC rule I advocate because it is one that is for the people, and it serves the best interests of the people.  Future rules I&#8217;ll have to think about when we get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2007/free-software/verizon-wireless-free-the-network.html#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful advocating FCC rules, it can work against you someday. I don't think it's wrong to restrict your product or creation as intellectual property or copyrighted material, patented invention. BUT, it IS wrong if you've released it out, let people have it, and want to get those rights back. 

Do you see the difference? You can keep things private in the beginning if it's going to allow choice and hurts nobody but your own profits, but if you've released it into the wild, you've allowed it to grow beyond your intentions (and your intentions may in part be to make it public), by that time, it's no longer your property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful advocating FCC rules, it can work against you someday. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s wrong to restrict your product or creation as intellectual property or copyrighted material, patented invention. BUT, it IS wrong if you&#8217;ve released it out, let people have it, and want to get those rights back. </p>
<p>Do you see the difference? You can keep things private in the beginning if it&#8217;s going to allow choice and hurts nobody but your own profits, but if you&#8217;ve released it into the wild, you&#8217;ve allowed it to grow beyond your intentions (and your intentions may in part be to make it public), by that time, it&#8217;s no longer your property.</p>
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