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Ron Paul and his Fascist Gang of Idiots…
Howdy. Isn’t it funny that people who can’t disagree appropriately always like to talk amongst themselves about how stupid the people they disagree with are? Well let’s practice a little bit of that here and now shall we?
I found that a very high volume of people who commented yesterday were coming from coordinated emails that were sent around. How can I tell? Well, because my logs are littered with gmail and yahoo mail and hotmail referrers, that’s how. It’s pretty obvious what’s going on.
And here’s a forum where they got all weepy and cried about how I was criticizing their god, Ron Paul: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=10194
These idiots don’t like me calling their beloved Ron Paul a racist. They probably won’t like me calling them idiots either, but that’s okay. They don’t like the truth, and it certainly shows.
Ron Paul is opposed to our constitution, particularly the 14th amendment, and his right-wing nuttery will see to it that nobody but rich white businessmen have any freedom in this world, okay that may go a bit far. I think he likes rich white women, too.
According to his own statements (quoted here), Ron Paul does not believe that the federal government should:
- Help the poor
- Help people who have survived disasters
- Help people who cannot afford healthcare
- Help senior citizens
- Help veterans
But he does believe that we should send troops to the borders to enforce his twisted–and yes, racist–anti-Mexican policies. Why do I call it racist? Well I’m glad you asked! According to the same article posted above, Ron Paul believes that immigrants (note that he did not specify legal or illegal) can:
- Be diseased and carry those diseases in to infect our population
- Cause huge crime problems
- Damage American culture (this is the one I find most racist, by the way)
Ron Paul and his supporters, prooven by their actions on my very blog yesterday, are dangerous to America and it is my opinion that the FBI should add them to the terrorist watch list immediately before they begin to use terrorism to force their sick world-view on the rest of us.
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I’d really like to see what his supporters have to say about all those quotes.
Not just the racist ones which I think they’ll come back with arguments for first.
Do you guys want to get rid of Medicare and social security and put troops on the border?!?
I didn’t think anyone could be as bad as Romney and Rudy, but damn, Ron is now on par in my mind. I guess if any of the Psycho R’s wins the election I’ll be looking for a new place to live.
Wow, he is really is out there. I wish for once there was a politician who was open-minded and independent.
Manchicken,
I can’t tell if you’re trolling for traffic (which I suspect) or looking for an honest debate (doubtful, you’ve had a couple from Ron Paul supporters here and don’t seem to enjoy it).
But if you want to know more about Ron Paul, maybe you should Google or Youtube him for an hour and find out the answers to your questions. Just watch his recent talk at Google, which was extremely well-recieved by Google’s young, ethnically-diverse staff.
Or maybe you don’t want to know more.
“Ron Paul is opposed to our constitution”
Ah, I missed this on the first go-round. Now it’s clear you’re trolling for traffic.
Buckwheat,
Google seems to turn up some pretty insane(in my opinion) quotes from Ron. Do those accurately show his views? Or are there only specific quotes I should look at…
Buckwheat,
Regardless of manchicken, I would like to hear serious responses to his quotes from http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1389
Nothing this ignorant could be doing anything but trolling for traffic.
I doubt Ron Paul supporters will give this the time of the day anymore.
People would do themselves a favor by becoming educated and get over the school yard bully name calling. You have to read more than 3 words in a sentence to understand Dr. Pauls positions and to put them in two or three words is lazy and childish.
Flo,
Same response to you, please answer the quotes.
1. Help the poor
– Hooray
2. Help people who have survived disasters
– Hooray
3. Help people who cannot afford healthcare
– Hooray
4. Help senior citizens
– Hooray
5. Help veterans
– This depends on what you mean by “help”. The federal government should help veterans as much as their enlistment contract says they should. Just like my employer should help me just as much as my employment contract says they should.
I disagree with Paul on immigration. I think if we eliminate the incentives to come to America and freeload then we’ll be getting immigrants who want to contribute to our economy, and that’s not a problem at all. And no, I don’t want troops on the border, unless they’re necessary for defense from an invading army.
I hope to be able to vote for Ron Paul for President. I don’t agree with all his views, but I think he’s the best candidate that I know of. (With the possible exception of Doug Stanhope. Or Zombie Reagan.)
How can any of you say that he is completely in support of the constitution if he is against the 14th amendment?!? Picking and choosing does not work! Please stop saying that manchicken is just trolling for stating the obvious. You simply stating something about Ron Paul does not make if a fact, especially if there is obvious evidence against it. Most of your answers revolve around being strict Constitutionalists. I am baffled from what I have been reading.
About the constitution, I hope that the difference between most politicians and Ron Paul would be that while he may oppose parts of the constitution, he would still follow them while he lobbies for their change.
To the Paulsters claiming Manchicken’s trolling for traffic, a simple question: Why? Do you see any ads on this page?
Against the 14th amendment. Really? Here’s what I know about Ron Paul and the 14th amendment:
The 14th amendment has been interpreted to mean that anyone born in the US, without regard to the parents citizenship, is automatically a citizen. This means that an “ILLEGAL” immigrant can give birth while in this country “ILLEGALLY” and that child is automatically a citizen of the US. These children are referred to as “anchor babies”.
Ron Paul has proposed changing the 14th Amendment to exclude these anchor babies. I agree with his position because it removes another incentive for ILLEGALLY entering this country.
By the way, are you in favor of letting people enter this country if they are carriers of an epidemic?
Please give a little more careful thought and research into others opinions.
dano,
If they aren’t a citizen of the USA when born, then what country are they a citizen of?
Did he seriously say “anchor baby”??
And honestly, nothing dano just said made me think manchicken needed “more careful thought and research”, just made me see these people are crazier than I thought, again!
Can you be a carrier of a “widespread outbreak”. Sorry to be a stickler, but I don’t think thats possible. Though, yes, they could have a disease.
Dano, the pertinent text of the 14th amendment is:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
So the question is “are illegal immigrants subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?” I think the name itself answers the question. How can someone be doing something illegal unless they’re subject to the jurisdiction of the state in which their actions are illegal? Now, if they were non-citizen aliens or something like that there might be a case to argue, but they’re illegal immigrants. Sounds pretty simple to me.
It appears that no critical thinking on the part of the author occurred. If he wants to act like a credible source of an informed opinion I would suggest spending more time having a concise solid argument then being pissy at people that disagree with him.
Rick,
Please give an answer about the specific quotes that Ron gave. There is no critical thinking required. I just want to know why he said those things.
Forget it, this guy is a hopeless socialist that is probably voting for Hillary. He can never be made to understand what the constitution is about.
None of his accusations have any glue. None of Paul’s supporters will be turned off to Paul, but they will be turned off to this trollish blog.
And yes, unscreened people DO bring diseases into the country that we never had before. Facts are not racist.
Try to go to Mexico or Canada and tell them you have a ‘right’ to be there and use their services and they will laugh at you while pitching you out by the seat of your pants.
Will some Paul supporter please answer my questions…
Ron Paul is only opposed to the naturalization provision in the 14th amendment. Should somebody be allowed to be an American citizen simply because their parents gave birth to them within our country?
As far as helping the poor, Paul claims that a free market would be the best way to assist people that are struggling to get by. Now this requires some clarification because Paul’s idea for a free market is an economic system that does not suffer from the kind of inflation that we have seen over the past century under the Federal Reserve system. Inflation is not technically a tax but it does result in the devaluation of the dollar, this hurts people of the lower and middle class the most. Even if you have your money in a savings account you are lucky if you are gaining enough interest to compete with the kind of inflation going on in the money supply.
As far as helping people survive disasters, lets just take a look at how badly FEMA royally f-d up in their handling of Katrina (and continues to mess up.) I personally am not opposed to the federal government assisting these people, but I do have some contention with the feds taking over the authority to be in charge of the clean up. The local and state jurisdictions should know how to help their people best.. federal volunteers should be receptive and supportive to the locals’ concerns. In Katrina you have martial law declared and complete federal control.. volunteers who wanted to assist were turned down, meanwhile many people in New Orleans were dying for their aid. This is just unacceptable and a new kind of solution needs to be considered. I don’t know if Ron Paul is on the right track here but he does have a point.
On Medicare, I would also agree that socialized medicine is not the answer. The more we put our tax money into creating these massive federal programs, the more inefficient they tend to become.
With social security you have the same problem, the government is controlling your investment. Who even knows if half the money is even there considering they are always appropriating the money for something else. The Social Security liability to the American people down the road is a huge problem and as the boomers hit retirement age, who knows if we’ll even be able to afford them. Meanwhile I’m being asked to pay a good percentage of my wages out to this system we can’t afford.
The quotes that are obviously racist have been addressed as not Ron Paul’s own words, but somebody who was published in a newsletter under Paul’s name. I was pretty shocked to see them at first and I admit that it does make me skeptical about Paul, but I give him the benefit of the doubt considering that out of all of the other publications and videos I have seen of Paul, the racist remarks seem completely out of his character.
I must also say that the way in which some of these issues are brought up are unfair and propagandistic. Ron Paul doesn’t say that we shouldn’t simply not “Help people who cannot afford healthcare” but instead goes onto say that ““I am opposed to any form of government health insurance as I am opposed to the taxes, regulations, licensing requirements, and monopolistic practices, which keep health costs higher than their true market value.”” .. i.e. he is in favor of people having affordable health care and his feeling is that the system as it is is inflating the value of health care artificially.
This is a similar tactic as saying “Support the Troops”.. and insinuating that one should politically support the war that the “Troops” are fighting.
As far as the border concern goes.. wasn’t our government telling us that our porous borders of Mexico were allowing all kinds of terrorists to come into the United States unchecked. I believe that Congress passed a law on this issue in 2002 or 2003, but did little to fund it. Now they are saying that Al-Queda is paying for people to take them across the Rio Grande, but they are refusing to secure the border unless the immigration reform bill gets past simultaneously. Meanwhile we have had a huge influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico over the past 5 years, with no end in sight.
I dunno that’s all I got for now. I think you should read into more of where Paul stands beyond these quotes.. his platform is not easily swallowed because he actually will discuss the issue beyond the slogans of “Help the poor” etc.. You want to help the poor? You stop inflating the currency. You stop the corruption that allows for the raping of the housing market, you stop the corruption that allows for Enron to rob you of your savings, you stop running up a deficit at billions of dollars a day, you protect the workers of your country and don’t sell out to trade arrangements that supercede your countries’ own rights to manage trade.. it goes on.
Jesus, how can anyone have the energy to entertain an infant like manchicken.
@ dano 12:27:
Your english is funny to me. How is giving birth illegal? Your argument is ludicrous because you are speaking about the end product of massive inflation and puppet dictatorships created and propped up by the United States.
This is the real reason why Latin American people come to the country, jumping borders and breaking laws. Or we could be more honest and just say ‘those mexicans’ and accentuate the word Mexican with obvious contempt in our voices, but that would be honest and we are talking about politics here, so I doubt this will happen.
To cite Jordan’s comment: Which country are you a citizen of, if not the one you’re born in. Of course we could debate the merits of identity and talk about nuture/nature until we’re blue in the face, but the answer is quite simple.
However, the 14th was not interpreted to mean anything. It specifically means that anyone born in the country is a citizen. That is what it LITERALLY does. You remember the whole debate a few years back, and the compromise that came about it. What was it? Ahpeople come to the country, jumping borders and breaking laws. Or we could be more honest and just say ‘those mexicans’ and accentuate the word Mexican with obvious contempt in our voices, but that would be honest and we are talking about politics here, so I doubt this will happen.
To cite Jordan’s comment: Which country are you a citizen of, if not the one you’re born in. Of course we could debate the merits of identity and talk about nuture/nature until we’re blue in the face, but the answer is quote simple.
Against the 14th amendment. Really? Here’s what I know about Ron Paul and the 14th amendment:
The 14th amendment has been interpreted to mean that anyone born in the US, without regard to the parents citizenship, is automatically a citizen. This means that an “ILLEGAL” immigrant can give birth while in this country “ILLEGALLY” and that child is automatically a citizen of the US. These children are referred to as “anchor babies”.
Ron Paul has proposed changing the 14th Amendment to exclude these anchor babies. I agree with his position because it removes another incentive for ILLEGALLY entering this country.
By the way, are you in favor of letting people enter this country if they are carriers of an epidemic?
Please give a little more careful thought and research into others opinions. Ah yes, the 3/5th compromise. Racism and prejudice dressed up as nationalism and the protection of tax dollars. We even fought a war over this. My own memory about this is fuzzy, but I remember an Aberham Lincoln fixing the situation. Ron Paul, dano, is NOT Aberham Lincoln.
Yes, anchor babies exist. Yes, it is a loophole. No, you cannot change this. Why? Logistically speaking, the act of modifying the Constitution is so taxing that is itself prohibitive. You honestly think that Ron Paul, by himself, will change the Constitution. Anyone who thinks that is an IDIOT. A dangerous person who should be kept out of power, because they are an idiot and don’t respect the fabric of our country.
Do you seriously want to stop people coming into the nation illegally? Stop letting the United States create abhorrent conditions for people in other nations, all in the pursuit of American hegemony in general, and a dollar in particular. However, RPaul won’t do that. He won’t address those issues. He’ll just close the law and put people on the border. Brute force attacks is not what I want for a president, neither do I want one who thinks the Constitution is just a piece of paper that he can edit at his own will.
I would love to see the exact text Ron Paul has drafted up however. Please copy and paste it into the page. But I doubt you’ll let me see it, because the change wont come. The cure is worse than the disease and to allow the conditions necessary for that cure is sheer folly.
It should be noted that I don’t have a giant problem with this illegal immigration. I know why the people come here, I know the people coming here, and I find it disgusting that anyone would try to hide from the end product of American policy.
One more thought Dano: Do you actually know Mike? Have you been thorough his blog? I have. I’ve been to his home, played with his dog and talked to him about politics many times. He thinks his positions through, before putting them onto the internet. He cites names and locations, quotes and interprets. Sometimes he says things I disagree with, for his tone of voice, or ideas. However, I have never been turned away by his rhetoric and arguments, the way I’ve been by Ron Paul and his supporters.
If you want more details on my own point of view, check Mike’s second blog on Ron Paul, the one which has ~126 comments. Or email me directly at eddiemartinez@gmail.com
When the socialist warmongers have nothing else they can only hurl names and throw temper tantrums. Manchicken is a real piece of work. He never fails to disappoint.
BTW FYI:
Ron Paul Wins FreedomWorks GOP Presidential Straw Poll
Business Wire (press release) - San Francisco,CA,USA
Texas Representative Ron Paul won by a wide margin with 56 percent of the vote. Senator Fred Thompson snatched the second place position, with Duncan Hunter …
How do you like them apples, troller?
Desert
You are one fucking piece of work. “Socialist warmongers”!?? and then you say he is the one hurling names??
I know manchicken and by no meaning of the words is he a socialist (he is very conservative in my view and I usually yell at him for being so
and in no way supports wars! Especially pointless ones!
So please if you plan to call someone names that make no sense don’t be such a jackass that you claim all they do is call people names.
Just fucking shit. You are all fucking insane jackasses.. I don’t think there are words that can describe how that post just now made me feel.
Give me one goddamn place where one of us calls for war?? Socialism, probably only found in my posts… Maybe someone else here said something similar.
Thank god Ron has no chance in hell of winning, hope you know that or are you unable to see that too. Only have to worry about the other shitty Republican candidates (and the many (all?) shitty Democratic candidates).
I think manchicken started it by calling us fascist idiots.
Ron Paul is about as far from a fascist as anyone could get….
Geesh.
I’m sure most people, even those not supporting him, know that.
Good way to get short term traffic, but absolutely dumb in the long term as you lose any credibility.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAV87X5keQ0
And maybe you should learn the definition of fascism before you go calling people that. Fascism means corporate control of the government.
“Rick,
Please give an answer about the specific quotes that Ron gave. There is no critical thinking required. I just want to know why he said those things.
”
First, the Victoria quotes were not him, he apologized for them and took responsibility and fired the staffer that wrote them.
Second, Ron Paul doesnt believe in the concept of hate crimes, its just another motivation for an act of aggression
third, your going to have to look more indepth because that would take a long time to explain
fourth, hes kinda got a good point there
fifth, good point again
sixth, another good point
seventh, good point again
eighth, another good point
ninth, possible option and I think Ron Pauls moved away from that idea
tenth, Id agree with that but Ive never seen that qoute before
Jordan,
The reason you’re not getting a response re the racist quotations is because that question is easily answerable on Google.
I’ll humor you, though I suspect the question is being asked in bad faith: the quotes were ghostwritten by a staffer in the early 1990s. Paul did not vet them and the staffer was immediately fired. There is nothing else in Ron Paul’s history that is remotely similar in tone or content.
Again, I’m pretty sure I just answered a bad faith question.
Well good to know that those truly are how Ron and his supporters feel about the issue. Though I find it completely and utterly insane and take the complete opposite stance. Nice to know he feels this way on issues. It needs to be spread more so those who hear about the things he gets right, war on drugs, Iraq, etc, will see what they are really getting.
Would be nice if at least one candidate wouldn’t lie to the public. Instead of ghostwriting stuff, either write it! or don’t have your name on it! or at least proofread it (assuming he didn’t…). Oh, and only hire people who are not nutjobs. Yes, that can be hard, but I’d feel something like this kind of racist talk would easily be caught in a few interviews…
Don’t feed the troll
kungfooguru. Now you know what it feels like to be called a bunch of names. I didn’t take it too well being called part of facist gang of idiots. Where did that come from? Because everyone didn’t agree with chickenboy? Do you and chickenboy have a thing going with each other? Sure seems like it. As I have suggested before, if this blog or anybody else has an issue with any political candidate, then please make your case for the one that you all personally like. Hell! You may even get a convert… Not!
For a man who has absolutely no chance of winning, both of you clowns are sure going out of your way and pulling no punches with all the nasty remarks about Ron Paul. So, I hope that Paul wins so that all you welfare weasels will move to Mexico. Let’s see if the Mexican government will support you or even give you a job for that matter. Man! What a bunch of retards!
By The Way. You sure made your point with all of the filth in your post. Your mama should wash your mouth out with soap. Both you and manchicken have a lot of class… unfortunately it’s all very LOW.
Ill throw the troll a bone.
Manchicken has proven himself to be an uneducated, disrespectful, lazy troll who is just after traffic. No one comes here except when he attacks Ron Paul, so hes just a little baby who likes the attention.
If he were serious, 10 minutes on google or youtube would debunk all of his rediculous claims, but that would require actual effort. Manchicken doesnt do “effort”
Why would I move to Mexico?
There is no candidate I support. The closest would be Kucinich. But I think all the candidates are to corporately connected and too far right both fiscally and socially for my tastes. That Gravel guy sounds just crazy enough to support though… Na, probably not crazy enough.
I’m not sure that you were one of the ones manchicken’s “Fascist Gang of Idiots” was directed at. But if you were engaging in the tactics he says you guys were I can’t say I don’t agree.
And really I usually never agree with manchicken, haha. Glad we found one thing to agree on. Well, I assume we agree on pizza… everyone likes pizza.
The Burnt Orange Report referred to Ron Paul as a “19th century man.” Need I remind Chickenman and the rest of the “progressives” at this site, that their opinions are from the 19th century as well. Marxism is obviously your choice of political and social philosophy.
Personal responsibility is still prevalent amongst most Americans and is a value we raise our children with. I realize that such a concept is difficult to comprehend by people with socialist values, but the rest of us prefer to live our lives free from tyranny of Marxism. I also realize that many of you have been indoctrinated by hack professors such as Ward Churchill, from University of Colorado at Boulder and George Lakoff, linguistics professor at Berkeley. These people are only interested in advancing their “progressive,” (read: socialist) agendas and screaming about the inequalities of their own country; a country which gives them the freedom of speech to do so.
Try bashing Cuba or North Korea as a citizen of those countries. Not only would you not have the freedom of speech to do so, you would be kept as a political prisioner for an indefinite period of time, sent to a re-education camp or lie in a mass grave with a bullet in your head. You of course would be with good company! Over one hundred million people from the 20th century perished from such tyrany for the same reasons. But of course, we wouldn’t want to elect a freedom fighter and proponet of responsibility such as Ron Paul. To do so would put a damper on your personal philosophy and agenda of destroying a great nation such as ours.
I want to be very clear that I am not a neoconservative nor a huge fan of Ann Coulter. I do however agree with her column from yesterday. http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi
My suggestion for all of you “warm and fuzzy” leftists, is to take an introductory course on economics and read our constitution. Maybe then, you will start to grasp why so many of of us support the most honest and compassionate politican of our lifetime.
Ron Paul for 2008!
Incidently, I have never heard of this site untill yesterday, when it appeared on a Google alert through my e-mail, for Ron Paul.
Regards,
Dempsey
You’re all dumb, and go to hell.
Oh crap, I posted that before I realized that some of you actually believe the crap that spews out of all coulter’s dirty mouth.
You’re wrong. And hopeless.
kungfooguru IS manchicken. There is no other way to explain kungfooguru’s hyper sensitivity to any remark directed at chickenboy or his antagonistic blog. Either that, or kungfooguru is chickenboy’s illegal Mexican butt-buddy houseboy. Either way, manchicken/chickenboy has been totally silent in this fray. No blogger can resist answering comments on their own blog. You are busted!
Great, make fun of homosexuals, that’s a perfect way to get your point across.
And I happen to know both of them, further proving your complete lack of basic analytical thought.
Great post Dempsey!
Manchicken is an ignorant douche nozzle!
toothrot. I have no doubt that you hope to get to know both of them. All together now, can we all say “ménage à trois”?
Hope? or happen? God, learn to read.
I want to apologize for the inaccuracy in this site owners name. I referred to him as “Chickenman.” While I don’t agree with him, I meant no disrespect to his name. It was merely as they say, a “Freudian slip.”
No harm was meant.
Regards,
Dempsey
Regards… I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
# toothrot Says:
Hope? or happen? God, learn to read.
I stand corrected and will try harder next time. So let’s get this straight, toothrot does not HOPE to know manchicken and kungfuguru, he actually HAPPENS to know them. I will point out though that there was no denial of the ménage à trois.
And you Dempsey. For shame! Apologizing for calling a manchicken a chickenman? Dsrespect a name like manchicken? Sorry dude, you are no loner my hero
Desert Rat
I think a quick google will show that not only am I not manchicken but we are veeeerrrrry different. Like all those who sit in front of their computers too much I have a blog as well.
Manchicken please respond. Not that i take offense to being considered you or anything ;). Though I do know I don’t want a kid yet :).
I can respond for that purpose. I can resist replying to comments on my own blog. I’ve been doing it all day. It’s been interesting to see that I was completely right about the bullying tactics of Ron Paul’s supporters.
You all call yourself political activists, and yet always assume that your adversary is always ignorant or somehow missing something. Most of the Google searching would show that I’m spot on in this post.
Ron Paul is for removing birthright citizenship–as per his website–and he is for backing out of the international trade treaties and the U.N.. He has also said–as in words coming out of his mouth–that he does not believe it is a good idea for the government to help people in a disaster such as hurricane Katrina (and yes, that was even the context of the quote).
It’s not that I’ve missed anything here. It’s that I think Ron Paul is WRONG. I think he’s wrong to suggest that the government should not do what it can to take care of its population. I think he’s wrong to want to bastardize our constitution to suit his racist desire to rid America of immigrants, and I think he’s wrong to want to isolate the United States from the rest of the developed world by backing out of the trade agreements.
I also think that you all–his supporters–are wrong for attempting to bully me into shutting up. You claim to support a libertarian candidate that supports freedom, yet for the past two days you all–once again, his supporters–have done nothing but try to pressure me into agreeing or shutting up. You’ve childishly blasted my automated digg posts by burying them with comments such as “burying for BULLSHIT” and “this guy obviously doesn’t understand,” and let’s not forget the accusations of Marxism I got today.
Yeah, you Ron Paul supporters are a real class act. Unfortunately you’re not going to get me to shut up. I’ll blog about whatever the hell I want to blog about whenever the hell I want to do so, and there’s not a damned thing you can do about it.
As for those accusing me of trolling for traffic, as you’ll notice, there are no ads here other than the two FSF banners which aren’t really ads so much as graphical links. I don’t make any money from this site, and I don’t really get any real jollies from stirring up the idiot brigade. I only wanted to post my opinion on my blog, and you asshats kinda showed up out of nowhere to cause trouble.
I’ll put it plainly. Ron Paul and all of his supporters are in my genuine and sincere opinion a very unfortunately misguided group of individuals.
And finally, kungfooguru isn’t anything like me on most issues. He only agrees with me in that Ron Paul is one of the most dangerous candidates out there, and that sausage pizza rules your collective mothers.
Now if you don’t mind, I’ve got better things to do than watch you Ron Paul supporters jerk each other off on my blog about how horrible I am and how great you all are. Have a good night, and a pleasant tomorrow.
You must be working for fred thompson’s campaign, or one of the democrats more likely… and obviously misinformed. The fascists are in power now. Ron Paul is the only opportunity we have to change that. Educate yourself! oh yea - it does appear you’re trolling for traffic, “manchicken” (how appropriate!)
He does NOT want to “rid America of immigrants”. He wants the LAW FOLLOWED, and does not think we should reward those who break our laws. There’s a difference between immigrants as a whole and those who have not followed our laws. So, nice try…with the whole rascist thing, but it just does not fit in reality.
You started the bullying chickenboy… nobody else. So go cry to your mama if the Paul supporters are picking on you.
You and kungfooguru are nothing but lousy Marxists who believe that the government must take care of everybody from cradle to grave. kungfooguru is a Canadian for Christ sake! They know all about Marxism up there. Everything is Freeeeee!
Tell you what. When people can vote to have government thugs steal 50% of a producers labor to pay for non-producer welfare, illegal aliens and pork barrel projects, against my will and over my objections (at the point of a gun) it’s time for a regime change. Castro has a good gig going. Give it a try. personally, I want the government TOTALLY out of my life and wallet.
The reason why people accuse you of marxism or socialism is because you seem to have a genuine belief that the federal government is the place you go to solve many of these social issues, as if the government is not “doing something” than it is not getting done.
People accuse you of “not understanding” because you take things out of context and make wild assumptions that could be easily clarified if you just demonstrated some intellectual honesty and did your homework.
You wrote: According to his own statements (quoted here), Ron Paul does not believe that the federal government should:
Help the poor
Help people who have survived disasters
Help people who cannot afford healthcare
Help senior citizens
Help veterans
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Wrong. Paul was recently asked about his working relationship with Dennis Kucinich. Just as he did in his appearance at Google (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg), in his response Paul makes clear that he doesn’t want to gut exisiting social programs that people have become dependent on. In fact, at Google he accuses Republicans of trying to “nickel and dime” social programs, while ignoring the fact that the vast majority of our tax dollars do not go to helping the poor, but to military spending. According to Paul, military spending could be cut to 1/3 of what it is today — saving more than enough money to pay existing entitlements.
As for veterans issues, I’m assuming you just threw that in there because it’s something a “bad” guy like Paul would oppose. Again, not true. For years Paul spoke out against cuts in spending for veterans care, as he did here (http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=5451):
Many military veterans were shocked to see that the federal budget for 2006 makes several cuts in veterans benefits and services. Under the proposed budget, the Veterans Administration will increase once again the co-pay cost of prescription drugs, while adding a new annual fee for medical benefits. The budget also calls for the reduction of veterans home funding and limits the number of VA nursing home beds. Some members of Congress have even suggested rewriting the definition of “veteran” in a way that could deny VA health benefits for millions of retired servicemen.
Unfortunately, the trust that members of our armed forces put in their government has been breached time and time again, and the recent budget vote represents another blow to veterans. Even as we send hundreds of thousands of soldiers into Iraq, Congress can’t get its priorities straight.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/davis4.html
RP: We’re close friends, and we certainly agree [on the war]. And I think we may end up voting closely all the time on the war issue. Sometimes some of these funding bills are a little bit complex, and even Walter Jones and I will disagree even though we agree on what we’re supposed to be doing, but the interpretation will be a little bit different. But I think Dennis and I usually come down on the same side of it. That is, if you don’t want the war you quit the funding, and that’s our responsibility and it’s not the president’s authority to do what he wants because we have the purse strings, so you have to vote against the spending. So we get along very well on that, and since it’s such a major issue I think I will continue to work with him the best we can. And you know, take some of the liberal welfare spending that Dennis might support more than I. But you know, I’m not hostile toward that. If I can save the money from overseas, put some of it against the deficit, end up with a net reduction in the size of the budget, at the same time stopping a war, I may well be very open to funding some of these programs. Because I’m not out to gut some of these programs that have taught people to be very dependant on the government, like medical care. I mean, that’s not my goal. I’ve never run for office with the goal of slashing [those programs] even though philosophically I don’t think it’s the best way to deliver services and prosperity to poor people.
This apparently is the immigration policy youd like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmCJOxrCkN4
You feel justified in coercing 2.6 trillion dollars from your fellow americans to pay for insanity like this?
LOL, Manchicken is just an illegal whos scared of following the law so he finds his venting place on the web where he can hide and act tough. see this quote from him on another blog post where he admits his illegal status.
“I want to make sure that my unborn child gets guaranteed citizenship when they are born,”
rotfl.
Not sure why you think I’m a Canadian… I’m not… I lived most my life in hell hole known as South Carolina. Luckily now no longer in the south :). Guess I may have to go farther to get away from those types of people though.
I do think the government should take care of everyone. If you choose to call that by the term Marxist, go ahead. I choose not to label my beliefs because it always gets me in trouble. All the good things in Marxism will be trashed because of some peoples screw ups and I’ll get lumped in with that and people who don’t understand.
But I’d like to point out that manchicken is in no way a Marxist… Actually makes me laugh typing that.
And did you honestly just post a link of Lou ‘Leprosy’ Dobbs, Lou ‘If I Said it its True’ Dobbs?? Maybe you should do your homework on the insanity and lies off Lou ‘As if CNN Wasn’t Bad Enough’ Dobbs.
Ron Paul will not:
1. Help the poor
The government has poured Billions into the War on Poverty. Did it help? No. Welfare is an addiction. Once on welfare it becomes a permanent entitlement. Government cannot solve this problem. If this is important to you then toke a homeless guy so you can feel better and get your freaking hands off MY wallet.
2. Help people who have survived disasters.
Yeah! FEMA did a bang up job with Katrina. Government cannot solve these problems. If this is important to you then then open your home to a disaster victim and get your freaking hands off MY wallet.
3. Help people who cannot afford healthcare.
I personally cannot afford healthcare and must pay for my medical expenses out of my own pocket. However, I am FORCED to pay for the healthcare of all the Mexican illegals and welfare cheats. Government cannot solve this problem. If this is important to you then make a donation to a charity hospital and get your freaking hands off MY wallet.
4. Help senior citizens
Senior citizens get plenty of help. Statistics show they control most of the nations assets and still get social security, medic aid, prescription drugs and much much more. I get NONE of this benefits and never will, but I am FORCED to pay it for others. Government cannot solve this problem. If this is important to you then adopt an old geezer and get your freaking hands off MY wallet.
5. Help veterans.
The military is an all volunteer organization. If they want to join so they can go to foreign countries to kill innocent men, women and children for a lie, so be it. If they get their ass blown off, that was their choice. The government helps veterans plenty (they have to, it’s part of the contract they sign.) If this is important to you then donate 10% of your pay to a VA hospital and get your freaking hands off MY wallet.
Ending. Virtually everything the government touches turns to instant crap. The public is always served best by the private sector. And in case you didn’t hear me the first time… Government cannot solve any problem. Period. If ANY problem important to you then help by donating your own money, getting off your rosey backside to do something except spout your marxist crap… and get your freaking hands off MY wallet!!!!
I’ll end my night with this, Desert Rat and the rest like him are sad human beings. If something is broken, some throw it out, others fix it. Desert Rat throws it out. I honestly don’t think you are worth my energy to spit on. Have fun living your asshole life. I’ll be here helping others both myself and by trying to get my hand in YOUR WALLET!
I can’t believe I went all of yesterday without getting completely fed up, people like Desert Rat piss me off. Not sure if I need to leave the country or run for office…
I don’t believe the government should help them either. Because government help hurts more than it helps. He’s not evil just because he doesn’t share your commie views ok?
You don’t have a right to take MY money so you can “help” the poor, and keep them in a state of welfare dependency.
Oh and nice response. This Desert Rat guy explains it to you clearly and well and your response is, “I’d like to spit on him.” That’s really great.
You do Lenin pround my friend, you do Lenin proud.
Wow, it got ugly while I was out. So, let me get this straight…
I’m an illegal immigrant, and evidently Desert Rat is forced to pay for my health care? This is fascinating, we should dig a little deeper.
This NAFTA super-highway they’re building, did you hear that it’s all just an urban legend? The highway administration says it is, the New York Times says it is, I live in one of the areas it’s supposed to be going through and I’ve never seen it, so I’m wondering what all you crazies are going on about with this one.
Desert Rat and the rest of you lunatics should probably find someone else to try to silence, because you won’t ever silence me. Unless I’m wrong and Ron Paul does win the election, in which case we’ll all be sent to the gulags and forced to return to the countries that our families came from. And don’t try coming back, because Ron Paul will have the military waiting for you when you do.
Ron Paul’s supporters are a collection of idiots and propagandists. I am honored to have been able to bring out the truth about this despicable racist jackass of a candidate that you so venomously protect.
Blogs like this are designed to create the illusion of democracy. In addition, they are used to collect IP addresses and information on potential “dissenters.” I recommend simply ignoring these blogs and not giving them any information. Don’t play the game by their rules. Keep them in the dark.
Thanks Robert,
The bottom line is what kungfooguru confessed. Chickenman, kungfooguru and all their ilk will never spend their own money or lend a personal hand to anyone (all fealy touchy talk). They would never think of robbing their neighbor by the point of a gun, but they will vote in all the government thugs required to do the dirty work for them. Did you see that he finally confessed of wanting to stick his filthy thieving hands into my pocket to pay for his damn pet projects. That is ALL of what this blog is all about… promoting Marxism.
Also, look up kungfooguru on Google. You will find his personal info as a 41 year old, fat, bald, Canadian man. In Canada everything is freeeeee, don’t you know. Why he is sticking his fat socialist nose into American politics, I haven’t a clue. Personally, I think we should leave Iran alone and bomb the crap out of Alberta and Montreal.
And one other thing, our masonic lodge worked our asses off and raised over six million dollars for charities last year alone, all voluntary, WITHOUT any government coercion. Sad human being? Why you communist piece of Canadian crap, you wouldn’t amount to a pimple on on my rosy red behind when it comes to helping others. The biggest difference between me and you is you use the labor and money of others by force and I do it with my own labor and energy out of love. And one last thing commie, I am armed (we still have the 2nd amendment here). Stick you fat hand in my wallet and I’ll put one between your thieving Canadian eyes. I want ALL my freedoms back that were taken away under the Bushwhacker regime. Everywhere you and chickenboy pop up on my Google alerts spouting your communist crap and Ron Paul trashing, I’ll be their pouncing on you like stink on crap rebutting your hateful lies. Now go off and screw yourself.
@ manchickensillegal:
No, you are an idiot. You also can’t read. Mike was being literal. He has a wife at home who is with child. Your kind want to remove the 14th amendment out of some broken logic and yells of ‘FREEDOM!FREEDOM!’
If you actually read the blog, you will see the work that Manchicken does to promote freedom in the world. What do you guys do? So far, I’ve seen nothing to see that indicates the large majority of the comments (Kunfuguru, Jordan among others know they are exempt) really want to talk. My own comments have been dismissed and ignored in general, despite the large amount of information and questions I’ve put up. Those of you out here who support Ron Paul haven’t dismissed a single word or ignored any small comment, choosing to use those as a reason to call everyone a marxist or illegal, which I found strange.
And then I remembered that these very same arguments were used against the Irish following their potato famine, and against the Chinese before and during the building of the transatlantic rail roads.
Pathetic, I must say.
“I’m an illegal immigrant, and evidently Desert Rat is forced to pay for my health care?”
I didn’t read much of the thread, and I don’t know anything about Ron Paul. But this comments deserves an answer.
Desert Rat is obviously lacking the benefit of the education provided to him free by the State. Because if DR had benefited at all, DR would have intuited that it work by illegal immigrants and foreigners for miniscule returns that make possible most of DR’s own luxuries — which allows things like hospitals to exist alongside things like golf courses.
Take away the people who are willing to work their arses off in your fields picking fruit for virtually nothing, take away the toilet cleaners, and let’s just say DR and ilk would have nothing to wipe their arses with.
Either that, or they would be forced to ocaisionally leave the safe confines of the SUV, wander off the golf course, and fucking do something to feed themselves. Let alone figuring out how a danged stethoscope works.
You’re absolutely wrong about everything you said about Ron Paul.
He is the further thing from a racist.
He is the greatest champion of the constitution since the founding fathers.
He cares deeply about the poor, he used to work for free for his clients who couldn’t afford his services.
He cares more about America than any one else.
Ron Paul hates coercion. He hates foreign wars that kill America’s young men and Iraqis. He hates forcing people to hand over money so that the government can give to the poor on their behalf. He doesn’t believe in force. He believes government should be used to minimize coercion against innocent individuals: to protect freedom.
America was founded by free men who believed that economic and social freedom should not be interfered with by the government, that the government’s only role is to protect citizens from acts of violence. This is Ron Paul’s message.
Ron Paul’s message is simple, that government should protect individual’s from coercion, respect their rights, and maximize their freedom. It’s not the government’s job to take care of the poor, educate the masses, etc. That’s the job of individuals cooperating together in freedom. Charities can do the same thing the government does but without force.
Desert Rat
First, learn to use Google. Why would anyone trust anything you say about things so important as government, society and the economy if you don’t know how to Google someones name.. Dude, five year olds can do it! I could probably give ‘kungfooguru’ to my 4 year old niece and she wouldn’t be so ignorant as to think its a 41 year old Canadian…
And where do you get off saying I do nothing for others besides vote to steal your money? Of course since you think I’m someone else I guess maybe that guy is that way and you got us confused.
Also, Robin Hood is a great man
And have fun with your gun while you still can. If I or any leaders I want ever get in charge you can kiss those good bye (thats a nice issue manchicken and I disagree on
Toothrot, I made myself very clear in prefacing my comment about Ann Coulter! Now, as to your statement “you’re all dumb and go to hell.” What are you trying to say? Are you saying that I am dumb? To say “all,” implies more than one person. I wrote this post without the consitutency of co-writers, therefore your syntax is incorrect. “Regards… I don’t think you know what that word means what you think it means.” Why do you make such a statement? “Regards” has different definitions! One, is is to show respect or concern for. Another is to take into account; consider. These are two definitions given by dictionary.com. While it might come as a surprise to you, many of us were brought up to respect people; even folks we don’t agree with. I get the strong impression that you are young and wouldn’t know anything about this. I can make a good argument for this by your lack of respect for others. Also, Toothrot, before you critize others for their grammar, I would take a good look at your own posts. In addition to taking a a course in basic economics and reading our constitution as mentioned before, I suggest taking a remedial grammar class. Your posts are full of grammatical errors. Take observance in your own puncuation, spelling and syntax, before judging others.
Desert Rat, my intent was not to be a hero to anyone. Again, as mentioned to Toothrat, I was raised to show respect to all people. Whether I agree with them or or not is inconsequential, as is the name “Manchicken,” or Chickenman.” I couldn’t agree with you more than your post regarding “help the poor,” “help people who have survived disastors” and “help people who can-not afford healthcare,” etc. The fact that we agree on various points is enough to form an alliance of ideas. You know, looking at things man to man, person to person.
Manchicken, having been raised by “new deal democrats,” having spent my youth in the Emerald Triangle,” (Northern California bed of marijuana cultivation and extreme liberalism) having lived in Berkeley California during the 70’s and presently living in Eugene Oregon, I can honestly say that not only I have kept an open mind to different ideas, I lived and breathed liberalism for much of my life. It was however, that “open mind” that led me to libertarianism and Constitutionalism.
Why are you so angry, Manchicken? Are you intimidated by a forum of open ideas? In analyzing your evaluation of Ron Paul supporters, referring to them as Nazis, propagandists and idiots, I can only assume you are following the ivory tower of liberal rants, propagated by sites larger than yours such as Daily Kos and MoveOn.org. I certainly see no critical thinking on your part, nor do I see any original ideas in cohesively making sense or coming up with solutions with the mess we are in as a nation.
Having lived in life situations as described above, I meant every word I said about Marxism! I kept an open mind throughout life. Why don’t you? Or have you put yourself into a personal situation that didn’t workout to what you thought the end results would be? Sorry dude, my money was not meant to support yours and others, unfortunate life decisions.
Regards,
Dempsey
Nope. I’m not opposed to an open forum of ideas… that’s why you’ll notice that I’ve only deleted spam (automated spam) comments, duplicate comments (verbatim duplicates only), and I’ve only edited comments at either the request of the commenter themselves. or to remove links to hate sites (sorry, I don’t want google picking up hate sites and lumping them in with me).
I am, however, scared of the supporters of Ron Paul either knowingly or unknowingly supporting such a racist candidate. I think you should read my latest post if you don’t know what I’m talking about.
Yes indeed he does NOT believe the federal government should
Help the poor
Help people who have survived disasters
Help people who cannot afford healthcare
Help senior citizens
Help veterans
You’re saying that as if the government has ever done any good WHEN they were given a chance to. Hint : Katrina, War, Taxes, Health care today, education today. The problem is NOT socialism, it’s not capitalism, it’s AMERICAN SELFISHISM. American federal government fails on virtually everything they try to do which other countries otherwise did well on, so don’t trust the government on doing things, we’d be better off if they let profiteers rip us off, at least they have some incentive to do it right!
But if you want more reasons to hate Ron Paul other than him being racist & careless, here’s a good compiled list for you http://www.7arp.info
since when did they put the internet in outhouses?
Josh! Great link. Reasons 1-25 on why NOT to vote for Ron Paul sound exactly what these morons are railing against. All this racism name calling crap because manchicken thinks it’s perfectly ok for millions of illegal imagrants to pour over the border, crowding hospitals for free maternity services, dumping their loads who then turn instantly into US citizens and go on welfare. Forget coming in legally, sponsored or with work permits. Well if that’s what I will have to agree with in order to agree with chikenboy, I guess that makes me a racist. My wife came over from the Philippines twenty years ago. She APPLIED for citizenship. It took two years of paperwork and a total of seven years to become a citizen. I have absolutely nothing against Mexicans. One can only appreciate the immigration problem if they lived near a border area like I do. If manchicken did, he would quickly change his tune. The biggest complainers are the Mexicans themselves who are here legally.
Manchicken, the dispute of whether Ron Paul is a racist was debunked by that fact that Congressman Paul himself, fired a ghostwriter for making so-called “racist” comments in a newsletter, published back in 1985.
You know a bit about me as posted earlier. To further outline my past, I should make clear that when I was a young boy, my idols were Willy Mays, Orlando Cepeda, Juan Marichal, Willy McCovey, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlin, Hank Aaron, Felipe Alou; all distinguished athletes and as fine of role models a young boy could ever hope of having. Of course, each and every one of these great people were and are of black and hispanic origin. That of course is only one group; an assembly of athletes. As a musician, the list of my faves is endless. Freddie King, Howlin Wolf, (aka Chester Burnett) Muddy Waters, (aka McKinley Morganfield) Robert Johnson, B.B King…
When I moved to Berkeley in the 70’s, it was not to align myself with radical leftists, but to play the blues with veteran blues musicians in the bay area. The majority of these musicians were older black men and women from various bay area cities. These beautiful men and women served as my mentors. None of them were interested in my politics or physical features. After trying out in many rock bands amd never making the cut, I realized that the way to express my music was through my earlier roots, the blues. What I was faced with, was a mob of political liberals who didn’t want me to play in their bands based on the way I looked and my value system. Trust me, rock bands do extensive interviewing for prospective band members. Most questions have little or nothing to do with music, ( at least during the 70’s). At the time, I had a well muscled body, blond hair, blue eyes and looked as though I was raised on a midwestern farm; a kid who had bucked hay his whole life. Nevermind the fact that I could play circles around these “liberal” posers who looked liked androgenous heroin addicts, none of these leftist musicians (and I use the term musician lightly) were able to see past my political alignment and apperance. The people who supported my music, were not only of different color, but of a different generation; people who had the wisdom to see past triviality and look at a person based on his or her personal merit; not as a group.
The point of my historical background is, that if I thought any political candidate were a racist, I would most certainly be the last to ever support him or her. Racism is not part of my modus operandi and I feel HIGHLY offended by your assertion that Ron Paul and his supporters are fascists, racists and idiots! Being a Ron Paul adherent, I take your comments personally!
It is people like Desert Rat’s wife who make up the mix of “cultural diversity” in America. People who have vision! People who come to America because it is THE country where people can improve their lives! A country where they can express themselves without tyranny! A country which gives us rights never seen before! People like Desert Rat’s wife come here LEGALLY. There is a distinct difference between the two and I can only hope that you gain the wisdom to see the difference.
Of course, this thread is not about me, Desert Rat or his wife. It is about the man who I and many others feel is anti-racist, pro-responsibility, pro-family and most importantly, pro constitutio; Ron Paul.
Ron Paul in 2008!
Dempsey
I am not impervious to typos. it is not constiuito;, but constitution.
Regards, Dempsey
So I’ve stayed away from this for a while and here is my response to the original post. Ron Paul is ignorant. Yes, yes bash away but here is some proof: he believes immigrants will “Be diseased and carry those diseases in to infect our population. Cause huge crime problems. Damage American culture (this is the one I find most racist, by the way)” ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?? Anyone that has ever studied the history of immigration knows that THIS IS THE SAME ARGUMENT AGAINST IMMIGRATION FOR A DIFFERENT GROUPS. People have made this argument again the Irish, Chinese, Polish. The only thing different is the group and because Ron Paul doesn’t understand history, he makes the same ignorant argument people have been making for hundreds of years. Disagree with me? Fine, I can accept that so I challenge you to do one thing for me: define “American culture” and tell me exactly what will be destroyed. This country is literally ALL immigrants (just go ask your parents, grandparents, great-granparents, eventually you’ll find an immigrant).
I kept it short and each point could be a debate in itself, but for starters you wrote:
According to his own statements (quoted here), Ron Paul does not believe that the federal government should:
1. Help the poor.
Right now the government not only doesn’t help the poor, it continues to increase their ranks by giving the impression that they can be helped by the government thereby enticing many to a handout cultural motif.
2. Help people who have survived disasters.
We only need look to Katrina victims and the like to see that we not only didn’t help them, we just diverted money to some mobile home company while people floated in their attics. By providing government insurance, we allow people to move into geographical regions not suitable for long-term stability.
3. Help people who cannot afford healthcare.
I do not have health care and will not see any until the price drops low enough for a policy I can afford.
4. Help senior citizens.
A compassionate family will see to the health care of their parents. Those that risk old-age without familial ties will always be at a far greater risk than those who raised a solid family. In the darwinian world, lifestyles dictate long term survival. If an individual does not reproduce and nurture to successful adulthood their offspring, that genetic line risks termination.
5. Help veterans.
The best way to help veterens is to STOP CREATING THEM.
Jay, I couldn’t agree more, the best way to help them is to STOP CREATING THEM. The best way to help poor people is to stop creating them! (That’s why I advocate abortion for those who can’t afford a child!)
But I can still see an argument for existing veterans, poor people, and victims of the system.
You have our hatred for him behind you!
I believe Ron Paul is the last chance for liberty and a return to limited government in America today.
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Manchicken, your not very well researched, and run on your faulty assumptions. Could it be your an immigrant, and your just working towards making illegals naturalized before all the others who have been waiting legaly?
I think this generation of mexicans are pretty brazen to tell an entire nation they dont deserve a country. To me that an act of war, and our borders should be secured.
And how is self defense racist? I think the word racist is used to lightly by zealots who never get what they want because what they want is insane, not the other way around.
Is the current government helpingthe poor? Have you seen an inner city yet? have you seen the gang fights between blacks and hispanics? You twist his words completely qround for your own sick agenda. Helping the poor is by doing things to help themselves. I could go on, but if you dont get the point from that sentence, you wont get anything there is to say because you have so much wax the government has put in your ears so that you could be their puppet.
bob: Wow. Sounds like you really think you’re better than everybody else. People coming into the US and having jobs and feeding their families is no threat, so there’s no just cause to “defend” against it. Ron Paul’s racist ties and personal racism are well-known, and I’m certainly not the only one reporting on it. If you’d pull your head out of the sand you’d see that.
stephen: Yes, actually, I have seen all these things. As a youth minister on the south side of Chicago I saw a great many things… most of them good. The city is doing a lot to help the poor in that area: they have food banks, WIC–a program that provides mothers and their infants with food and healthcare–they have education, they have Link which is a debit-card type program to help lower-income families get food. I’ve seen a great many situations where the government does help the poor, and just because you’re holding yourself back by being too scared and ignorant doesn’t mean it’s not going on. You seem to think you know what goes on in the inner-city, but you don’t. I’ve been in the middle of it, and I’ve worked with the young people to whom it is a daily fact of life. You should really be more careful who you accuse of being ignorant, “sir”.
“On Medicare, I would also agree that socialized medicine is not the answer. The more we put our tax money into creating these massive federal programs, the more inefficient they tend to become.”
Ok, for one.. give me ANY proof of that claim.
For two, as long as their is a profit motive private enterprises will cater to where the most money is to be had, the rich.
For three, government intervention is the only thing standing between humanity and the dollar. When money becomes more important than someones life I believe we have gone wrong as a society, no matter the color of their skin or their social status.. A healthy, well educated work force is proven to more effective.