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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul Sucks Again</title>
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		<title>By: Ron Boozell</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2008/politics/ron-paul-sucks-again.html#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Boozell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul -does- suck.

I am a Pro-Choice Libertarian that is also sick of the hero worship for a man that won't even use the word, 'libertarian', unless backed in to a corner.

He says that he is a Republican with Constitutionalist leanings, and he is.

He is proudly and consistently anti-abortion and has tried to give millions of fetus's the same rights of real Americans, which seems -very- big-government to me. (see Sanctity of Life)

How can such a smart doctor like him not recognize the ill effect on our community to force the continued import of millions of unwanted children?

He loves the Constitution except for the words, 'persons born', and his mantra of late, that the decision should be relegated to the States, is a lie.

How can you trust a Republican that -used to be- libertarian, but does not respect Body-Ownership Rights of Individuals already born?

Ronpaulicans get very mad at me because I make Paul's anti-Choice platform a -huge- sticking point, but many of them simply don't realize that it is -he- that makes it the big issue.

HELL, I would love to see our troops come home, and see the end of the FED and the IRS, but I want a leader I can TRUST.

In, short, a rich old white Christian Republican will never lead a successful revolution for Liberty.

~Ron Boozell aka stoneman76

yahoo's largest libertarian group:
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul -does- suck.</p>
<p>I am a Pro-Choice Libertarian that is also sick of the hero worship for a man that won&#8217;t even use the word, &#8216;libertarian&#8217;, unless backed in to a corner.</p>
<p>He says that he is a Republican with Constitutionalist leanings, and he is.</p>
<p>He is proudly and consistently anti-abortion and has tried to give millions of fetus&#8217;s the same rights of real Americans, which seems -very- big-government to me. (see Sanctity of Life)</p>
<p>How can such a smart doctor like him not recognize the ill effect on our community to force the continued import of millions of unwanted children?</p>
<p>He loves the Constitution except for the words, &#8216;persons born&#8217;, and his mantra of late, that the decision should be relegated to the States, is a lie.</p>
<p>How can you trust a Republican that -used to be- libertarian, but does not respect Body-Ownership Rights of Individuals already born?</p>
<p>Ronpaulicans get very mad at me because I make Paul&#8217;s anti-Choice platform a -huge- sticking point, but many of them simply don&#8217;t realize that it is -he- that makes it the big issue.</p>
<p>HELL, I would love to see our troops come home, and see the end of the FED and the IRS, but I want a leader I can TRUST.</p>
<p>In, short, a rich old white Christian Republican will never lead a successful revolution for Liberty.</p>
<p>~Ron Boozell aka stoneman76</p>
<p>yahoo&#8217;s largest libertarian group:<br />
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyBandwagon/" rel="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyBandwagon/</a></p>
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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2008/politics/ron-paul-sucks-again.html#comment-1433</link>
		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shannon: So standing up for our constitution--the whole constitution, not just the parts that Ron Paul likes--is anti-American?  Hoping for a president who isn't a known white supremacist is anti-American?  You've got a strange definition of what it means to be an American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shannon: So standing up for our constitution&#8211;the whole constitution, not just the parts that Ron Paul likes&#8211;is anti-American?  Hoping for a president who isn&#8217;t a known white supremacist is anti-American?  You&#8217;ve got a strange definition of what it means to be an American.</p>
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		<title>By: shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2008/politics/ron-paul-sucks-again.html#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator>shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey do us all a great justice and move to china you are anti american. Ron paul is our only hope, Bozo and i am sory you are to brainwashed to see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey do us all a great justice and move to china you are anti american. Ron paul is our only hope, Bozo and i am sory you are to brainwashed to see that.</p>
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		<title>By: DAMAN</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2008/politics/ron-paul-sucks-again.html#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>DAMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ron Paul WILL NOT DROP OUT.&lt;br /&gt;
HE WILL NOT RUN THIRD PARTY&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MCCAIN IS A MANCHICKEN.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul WILL NOT DROP OUT.<br />
HE WILL NOT RUN THIRD PARTY</p>
<p>MCCAIN IS A MANCHICKEN.</p>
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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.manchicken.com/2008/politics/ron-paul-sucks-again.html#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cezar: As an alternative school graduate I totally agree there.  But the only reason I was able to go to an alternative school was because I had that right.  There's a difference between having a right to an education and having an obligation to one.  Until kids are a certain age I think it makes sense for parents to choose this for them, but there should be a point at which that choice shifts.  And the one-size-fits-all curriculum is a real problem.  But I think privatizing everything and removing the notion that it is a right is a big mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cezar: As an alternative school graduate I totally agree there.  But the only reason I was able to go to an alternative school was because I had that right.  There&#8217;s a difference between having a right to an education and having an obligation to one.  Until kids are a certain age I think it makes sense for parents to choose this for them, but there should be a point at which that choice shifts.  And the one-size-fits-all curriculum is a real problem.  But I think privatizing everything and removing the notion that it is a right is a big mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Cezar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cezar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...education should be considered–and in many places is–a right. Unfortunately, Libertarianism puts these things in a place where they are more of a luxury."

Remind me to one day tell you about a book that remembers the day when there was a much higher level of education in the United States that was destroyed by "mandatory" schooling with a one-size-fits-all curriculum. I'll have to find the title again.

All I'm saying is to question your assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;education should be considered–and in many places is–a right. Unfortunately, Libertarianism puts these things in a place where they are more of a luxury.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remind me to one day tell you about a book that remembers the day when there was a much higher level of education in the United States that was destroyed by &#8220;mandatory&#8221; schooling with a one-size-fits-all curriculum. I&#8217;ll have to find the title again.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is to question your assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
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		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But I don't.  I think there's some real value to many libertarian ideals.  I like the "you leave me alone and I'll leave you alone" idea, I just don't think it works in all cases.  I also think that privatizing everything is the fastest way to the exploitation of the people by private organizations trying to rake in more profits.  This is often at the expense of the health and safety of the people.  The government, which is supposed to be for the people by the people, does have a duty to protect the people and ensure that they have a fair chance at a good quality of life.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Health care should be a right and education should be considered--and in many places is--a right.  Unfortunately, Libertarianism puts these things in a place where they are more of a luxury.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don't hate anybody, not even Ron Paul.  I just think that my dog is better qualified to lead our country than he is.  At least my dog only shits in the grass, Ron Paul will shit on the constitution.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I don&#8217;t.  I think there&#8217;s some real value to many libertarian ideals.  I like the &#8220;you leave me alone and I&#8217;ll leave you alone&#8221; idea, I just don&#8217;t think it works in all cases.  I also think that privatizing everything is the fastest way to the exploitation of the people by private organizations trying to rake in more profits.  This is often at the expense of the health and safety of the people.  The government, which is supposed to be for the people by the people, does have a duty to protect the people and ensure that they have a fair chance at a good quality of life.</p>
<p>Health care should be a right and education should be considered&#8211;and in many places is&#8211;a right.  Unfortunately, Libertarianism puts these things in a place where they are more of a luxury.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate anybody, not even Ron Paul.  I just think that my dog is better qualified to lead our country than he is.  At least my dog only shits in the grass, Ron Paul will shit on the constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As funny as it sounds, I would complain a lot less if you just said you hated libertarians :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As funny as it sounds, I would complain a lot less if you just said you hated libertarians <img src='http://www.manchicken.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you believe that stopping US Govt. foreign aid, removing the dept of education, and fully privatizing health care is indifference, that's fine. It's a reasonable point of view. But your beef is with libertarianism in general, not just Ron Paul. These are libertarian positions.

However, your issue with pulling out of WTO and NAFTA organizations is a fair point of contention with Paul. His goal as a libertarian is free trade, and avoiding bowing to an even higher governmental authority; both libertarian goals, more or less. Some libertarians might support those organizations because they're a good step toward free trade, but Paul seems to think that they start putting the US into the control of a larger authority (think States Rights, but on a different scale). I think he's still doing it out of his libertarian ideals, but it's fair of you to criticize him on his proposed course of action to reach those ideals. I don't think you could say he's being un-libertarian here. In fact I bet he would say he's for free trade with Mexico, just not under NAFTA.

And yeah, conspiracy theories, while perhaps libertarian-based in his case, are not inherently libertarian. I'm not sure how founded or unfounded his beliefs are. I won't put away my tinfoil hat yet, I'd have to look into it.

Bottom line, you do have some decent points about Ron Paul, but so many misinformed ones. I don't know if I can trust your assessment sometimes because of your misunderstandings about libertarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe that stopping US Govt. foreign aid, removing the dept of education, and fully privatizing health care is indifference, that&#8217;s fine. It&#8217;s a reasonable point of view. But your beef is with libertarianism in general, not just Ron Paul. These are libertarian positions.</p>
<p>However, your issue with pulling out of WTO and NAFTA organizations is a fair point of contention with Paul. His goal as a libertarian is free trade, and avoiding bowing to an even higher governmental authority; both libertarian goals, more or less. Some libertarians might support those organizations because they&#8217;re a good step toward free trade, but Paul seems to think that they start putting the US into the control of a larger authority (think States Rights, but on a different scale). I think he&#8217;s still doing it out of his libertarian ideals, but it&#8217;s fair of you to criticize him on his proposed course of action to reach those ideals. I don&#8217;t think you could say he&#8217;s being un-libertarian here. In fact I bet he would say he&#8217;s for free trade with Mexico, just not under NAFTA.</p>
<p>And yeah, conspiracy theories, while perhaps libertarian-based in his case, are not inherently libertarian. I&#8217;m not sure how founded or unfounded his beliefs are. I won&#8217;t put away my tinfoil hat yet, I&#8217;d have to look into it.</p>
<p>Bottom line, you do have some decent points about Ron Paul, but so many misinformed ones. I don&#8217;t know if I can trust your assessment sometimes because of your misunderstandings about libertarianism.</p>
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		<title>By: manchicken</title>
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		<dc:creator>manchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe that's what he's been advocating.  Libertarianism supports free trade, but Ron Paul believes in the government enforcing property "rights," including "intellectual property rights." which is fundamentally not a fair-trade system.

Dan, you're a great guy, but you'd have to be blind or ignorant to miss Ron Paul's past and present message of indifference--his stance on pulling out of US obligations to help the rest of the world, his stance on removing the department of education, his stance on health care--his message of ignorance, and his enormous past record of hate--see the TNR article.

Ron Paul is also advocating retreating from trade.  He wants to pull out of the WTO, NAFTA, and all other trade treaties.  He ignorantly believes that these treaties are somehow a threat to our "sovereignty."

Oh, and the ignorance is obvious in his wack-job conspiracy theories.  This guy should be wearing a tin-foil hat in a psych ward, not running for president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s been advocating.  Libertarianism supports free trade, but Ron Paul believes in the government enforcing property &#8220;rights,&#8221; including &#8220;intellectual property rights.&#8221; which is fundamentally not a fair-trade system.</p>
<p>Dan, you&#8217;re a great guy, but you&#8217;d have to be blind or ignorant to miss Ron Paul&#8217;s past and present message of indifference&#8211;his stance on pulling out of US obligations to help the rest of the world, his stance on removing the department of education, his stance on health care&#8211;his message of ignorance, and his enormous past record of hate&#8211;see the TNR article.</p>
<p>Ron Paul is also advocating retreating from trade.  He wants to pull out of the WTO, NAFTA, and all other trade treaties.  He ignorantly believes that these treaties are somehow a threat to our &#8220;sovereignty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and the ignorance is obvious in his wack-job conspiracy theories.  This guy should be wearing a tin-foil hat in a psych ward, not running for president.</p>
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